tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412851395882523391.post1453233322801508426..comments2024-03-28T07:15:36.671+00:00Comments on We Bird North Wales: Treaddur Bay Buzzard - good learning!Rob Sandhamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00473000342176495471noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412851395882523391.post-30549722829936177752012-05-28T21:20:27.140+01:002012-05-28T21:20:27.140+01:00Anyway, you have had a response from Dick F, but f...Anyway, you have had a response from Dick F, but for what it is worth....<br /><br />I would have suggested common buzzard simply on leg length – having been present at many a honey buzzard ringing session I have always been struck by how short the legs are (You can only just get a darvic ring on them!) – when you see them on the ground they have very short legs (unlike the “leggy” bird you saw).<br /><br />Had a similar experience at a BBRC meeting at Portland when an identified (by 4 BBRC members) honey sat on a post and I had to say I didn’t think it was one....it wasn’t! It was a head-on flight view followed by looking into the sun.<br /><br /> As for structure and plumage and moult (=shot) they have all been dealt with..<br /><br />RegAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412851395882523391.post-47820862929792857032012-05-28T15:14:58.158+01:002012-05-28T15:14:58.158+01:00An extremely interesting few days. I think most of...An extremely interesting few days. I think most of us were expecting this outcome really. It was great the phone calls, emails and discussion it created with species ranging from Honey buzzard, common buzzard, long legged buzzard, oriental honey buzzard, booted eagle, black kite, golden eagle and even hybrid mentioned!!! <br /><br />We see 1000s of common buzzards each year but this bird has shown that in strange circumstances- battling into a strong easterly wind, half it's primaries missing, coming in low off the sea, sitting on a cliff face rock etc can make even the most familiar of birds look different.<br /><br />Thanks to all those who have ventured an opinion, well done to Chris for getting it right and thanks to Dick Forsman for settling the matter and giving reasons over his thoughts. Certainly some great learning.<br /><br />One positive from all this is that we don't have to drop the day list to 132 now as we forgot to put down pied wagtail, thus leaving the total at 133specues for the day.<br /><br />Right, I'm off to grill buzzards :-)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13927135017383938272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412851395882523391.post-27494774107743611862012-05-28T14:44:44.041+01:002012-05-28T14:44:44.041+01:00Some interesting feedback from Dick Forsman – he s...Some interesting feedback from Dick Forsman – he says it’s a 2nd cal Common that’s been shot at. Going back to the pics now with the scales off my eyes, I can see this ID, I think I got tunnel vision once I got the idea into my head that it could be a Honey. Watching it fly past, I was saying, no, no it’s just a Common – then I started looking for features that could fit HB. It’s a reminder of what you can convince yourself of really. But full marks to Chris Jones for getting it right and sticking to his guns! I often think that I learn something about bird ID most times I go out, and it’s certainly true that you learn by your mistakes….ProgBirderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03974644791715369505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412851395882523391.post-66958821488319114942012-05-27T23:19:05.153+01:002012-05-27T23:19:05.153+01:00Odd looking buteo!
On some pics I think honey due...Odd looking buteo!<br />On some pics I think honey due mainly to protruding head and the pic of the bird on the deck.<br />On others it looks like a common.<br />Can't make my mind up on this one. Perhaps it could have passed through Europe and been blasted at, hence it's in such a mess indicating a honey.Kev Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14002207723250713508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412851395882523391.post-64006736484493544062012-05-27T21:51:37.522+01:002012-05-27T21:51:37.522+01:00Dave. Interesting. Link is here - http://www.pembs...Dave. Interesting. Link is here - http://www.pembsbirds.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/ramsay-soundtreginnis-this-afternoon.html<br />Did you see the pembs bird? Wouldn't mind hearing your thoughts on both birds. You still got my email?<br />Does anyone know Dick Forsman's email?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13927135017383938272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412851395882523391.post-64805454707314934632012-05-27T21:40:44.329+01:002012-05-27T21:40:44.329+01:00I'm not sure that there are primaries missing ...I'm not sure that there are primaries missing in the right wing just out of shape- looks to have been shot at with a clear hole through the left. It kind of marries with Pete's bird and his underside shot?Rob Sandhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00473000342176495471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412851395882523391.post-40844577323230229882012-05-27T21:40:29.922+01:002012-05-27T21:40:29.922+01:00A very similar looking bird was called as a Honey ...A very similar looking bird was called as a Honey B coming in off the sea opposite Ramsey Island a couple of days ago - see www.pembsbirds.blogspot.com - several of us don't think it was a HB (it was well worn for a start), but a few features don't add up. I strongly suggest getting in touch with Dick Forsman for a view. Dave AstinsDave Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02687293629426113675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412851395882523391.post-90329935185831122382012-05-27T20:00:36.674+01:002012-05-27T20:00:36.674+01:00Looking at the new pix, all seem to show a shallow...Looking at the new pix, all seem to show a shallow fork to the tail unless angles are wrong in all flight pix deceiving me. Although not totally adding up and looking a bit messed up I cant seem to rule out Black Kite (moreso eastern) other than people's comments saying it definitely wasn't a Kite and them having actually seeing the bird!<br />So what are the other options?Rob Sandhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00473000342176495471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412851395882523391.post-40215225986871906292012-05-27T18:27:29.203+01:002012-05-27T18:27:29.203+01:006th pic down!6th pic down!ProgBirderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03974644791715369505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412851395882523391.post-37216899172823696862012-05-27T18:20:23.205+01:002012-05-27T18:20:23.205+01:00Btw, nice one on getting the shots!Btw, nice one on getting the shots!ProgBirderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03974644791715369505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412851395882523391.post-71584167584685720392012-05-27T18:19:58.300+01:002012-05-27T18:19:58.300+01:00Actually i'm no longer not sure that p9 is mis...Actually i'm no longer not sure that p9 is missing, as you can see a full set on the spread upperwing in one of your other shots - 6 primary tips.<br />(Tried to edit comment above to add clarification but couldn't.)ProgBirderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03974644791715369505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2412851395882523391.post-23882349664085440532012-05-27T18:14:11.657+01:002012-05-27T18:14:11.657+01:00Thanks again Marc for another interesting post.
...Thanks again Marc for another interesting post. <br /><br />What a remarkable looking bird. I know photogrpaphs can lie but... is that really a dark trailing edge on the wing? Is the tail really that forked? Looks weird on the deck, I am really confused by this one... have 'Raptors of Europe' here and none the wiser.<br /><br />Looks like some kind of dark female Honey Buzzard/Black Kite hybrid!<br /><br />Suggest you email Mr Forsman and get his opinion.<br /><br />Well done on the bird race - grand total that is!Andrew Clarkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10949593721059927189noreply@blogger.com